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Gunshy
Ross Allaire is an author, composer, screenwriter, EMT, and security officer who lives, works, and plays in the Philadelphia area.

Ross Allaire @Gunshy

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What is Grunge?

Posted by Gunshy - December 2nd, 2007


"What we've got here is failure to communicate. See, some men you just can't reach. So, you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it! And i don't like it any more than you men."

Grunge (as per wikipedia):
"Grunge (sometimes referred to as the Seattle Sound) is a subgenre of alternative rock that was created in the mid-1980s by bands from the American state of Washington, particularly in the Seattle area. Inspired by hardcore punk, heavy metal and indie rock, grunge is generally characterized by heavily distorted electric guitars, contrasting song dynamics, and apathetic or angst-filled lyrics. The grunge aesthetic is stripped-down compared to other forms of rock music, and many grunge musicians were noted for their unkempt appearances and rejection of theatrics."
ALSO:
"Grunge is generally characterized by a sludgy guitar sound that uses a high level of distortion, fuzz and feedback effects. Grunge fuses elements of hardcore punk and heavy metal, although some bands performed with more emphasis on one or the other. Grunge bands were noted for their punk / indie attitudes; and the music shares with punk a raw sound and similar lyrical concerns. However, grunge also involves slower tempos, dissonant harmonies, and more complex instrumentation, often reminiscent of heavy metal."
AND THE DECLINE (besides Kurdt dying):
"A number of factors contributed to grunge's decline in prominence. During the latter half of the 1990s, grunge was supplanted by post-grunge, which remained commercially viable into the start of the 21st century. Post-grunge bands such as Candlebox and Bush emerged soon after grunge's breakthrough. Post-grunge artists lacked the underground roots of grunge and was largely influenced by what grunge had become, namely 'a wildly popular form of inward-looking, serious-minded hard rock.' Post-grunge was a more commercially viable genre that tempered the distorted guitars of grunge with polished, radio-ready production."

ACCORDING TO DICTIONARY.COM:
Grunge Music: a style of rock music featuring harsh guitar chords, heavy riffs and drumming, and whose performers wear sloppy clothes

EDITORIAL:
So, label me post-grunge, I guess. The music of Gunshy has more in common with bands like Blur (Britpop) and Weezer (Post-grunge Pop) than it does with Mudhoney or Bikini Kill. The influences of Nirvana and Alice in Chains are obvious, and completely purposeful.
Because of all this, and the contentions of what is and isn't grunge that seem to be going on in the heated fight for the Top Ten and Number 1 slots in the genre here on NG, I have started to view the concept of "grunge rock" as being entirely subjective, and perhaps a new genre is in order, one that fuses Grunge and Techno. Technogrunge or Electrogrunge would seem to fit. The best example here on NG of this fusion of genres is "22 Hours" by LST, and CalPal's review has it right in this sense. I apologize for my seemingly negative review of this song in particular.
Artists like the Butthole Surfers and Beck have been doing this act for at least 10 years, fusing elements of Electronica into their otherwise grungy repertoire. Beck could do a hell of a version of "Smells Like Teen Spirit," that's for damn sure. And there are many artists here that do the same thing, such as Nessbeatsfox. But there are others that I would consider purists, like me, who seem like they can't stand the sound of a real guitar and vocals up against what is obviously techno drums, like Sixty Cycle and Scribbler.
I am in the same category as them trying to carry on the legacy of grunge in its true form, even if we are making the songs with FruityLoops and Cubase or even Garageband.
The point I'm getting at is there is an inherent string through all of these artists I've mentioned, a factor in the music that makes it all 100% grunge and not some cheap attempt at imitation.
That is: REAL GUITAR!
There is no way a synthesizer (even FLSlayer) will ever replace the sound a real live electric guitar. So, yes... it does piss me off when I hear songs that are 100% electronically-produced set in the grunge genre. My ears can hear that there are no real instruments being played, and no attempt at even making the drums sound real at all. My bias is towards the real, the concrete, not the plastic sound of an AKAI drum loop or a distorted MIDI synth.
Without bias, none of us would be artists. None of us would willingly make grunge rock if it wasn't for the love of a harsh, discordant sound with vocals that Simon Cowell would have an aneurysm over.
If me or Nessbeatsfox walked into an American Idol audition, we would be stopped halfway through and told to leave and never sing again outside of our houses, and THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!
None of us in Grunge should be "expertly proficient" at playing the guitar, because that's not what grunge is about. It's about being half-rate, and not caring. None of us SHOULD be able to trade licks with SRV or Jimi Hendrix, because they're bluesmen and that's their thing. Their timing should be perfect (and was), but grunge shouldn't be perfect. It shouldn't seem plastic or overproduced, either. It shouldn't sound a thing like battle music for some video game, and it shouldn't EVER sound like chill-out downtempo electronica.
So, what should grunge sound like?
What IS grunge, if it's so clear what is not?
Grunge should sound like shit, because that's how the genre came to be named Grunge.
It should switch things up, surely, but always return to the hard, sludgy, shitty guitar that we all love.
Grunge should sound grungy, not "good" or "radio-friendly."
If I ever write a radio-friendly song, I'll shoot myself in the face just like Kurdt did... if you believe that.

What is Grunge?


Comments

So true.
Grunge shouldn't sound good but mostly it's just about not caring.
It can still be decent music and grunge at the same time.

agreed. it should be decent. but it shouldn't be techno.

I went to your MySpace. You music rules. I really love it.

This isn't really Grunge I'd say though. I mean, it's grunge-y, but it also has stoner rock elements. And the obvious electronic influence.

Anyway, nice work.

thanks. and thanks.
stoner rock?

I am willing to argue it was suicide.

Also, it was Kurt. You misspelled it.

Regardless, grunge is indeed one of the best styles of music.

i misspelled nothing!
buy a copy of incesticide, you'll see what i mean.
the spelling of his name as Kurdt Kobain comes direct from the man himself. It is a test, and you failed it. If you think I have misspelled his name as "Kurdt" then it's obvious you don't own a copy of Incesticide, and I find that very sad, as it is the 2nd best Nirvana album next to bleach. Buy the album, read the liner notes, and you'll learn more about Nirvana and the ethos of grunge than you ever thought possible.
And if you own the album and have never read the liner notes, then shame on you!

i love the early late 80's nirvana. i wouldnt call it grunge or ugly rock at all, it is indeed what rock should be- raw. it wasnt only the sound but as always with music- the image. its the same thing as the counter culture in the 60's- the labels jumped on the bandwagon to quickly recruit and cash in on such a lucrative opportunity. i think kurt was ill prepared to become a commodity, but that's exactly what happened- the look, the sound, it all sold so good.
you know your right gives an outlet to see how much he his music really changed (compared to what it was on the box set). and more striking than anything, the brutally raw lyrics and vocals. he said he was starting from scratch for the 1st time, and although you know your right was originally made before 94 with different lyrics, it offers us a glimpse of what he was evolving rock into.
everytime i listen to you know your right i get goosebumps. this is, without a doubt in my mind, the greatest band that has ever exsisted. grunge is just a title, used by those who cant identify anything past how they appear. nevermind says about grunge, "its just about not caring." that is the most singular, two-demensional, and ignorant answer i've ever heard. i suppose if you listen to anything besides aic and nirvana, then call it whatever you want- idc.
but nirvana is one thing- raw.

yeah late 80s nirvana falls into that whole "new wave punk" category that many bands like the clash and siouxsie and the banshies kinda bought into, the elements of punk like distortion and the message of the lyrics but with a slower tempo, poppier tunes, and less thrash.
that's why i say Bleach was their best album, because it captures a living essence of Grunge in its purest form: riffs as opposed to chords, shouts and grunts as opposed to singing, and unique beats as opposed to 4/4 time dance-able beats like so many other punks bands sold out with.
Nirvana and early Soundgarden were the kings of Grunge, owing more to bands like Rush and Pink Floyd than either band would ever admit.
Pearl Jam is like a sloppy Led Zeppelin, but they still rock.
and it was me that said grunge is about not caring, and it's true. nirvana's studio albums don't give us as much of a clue to this as much as their live performances. check out their version of "come as you are" on the "live, tonight, sold out!" tour video. the guitar is tuned terribly, and kurdt doesn't shut off the dirtortion or flanger effect for the whole song, and his voice his especially awful for that performance.
that's really what i meant, the fact that he was playing the number 3 song in the country and didnt give a fuck if it sounded bad. neither did the audience.
they were just glad to be there, hearing them live.
that's grunge.
that's rock n' roll.
and it's awesome.
this is my point, though... that none of you understand what grunge REALLY is. and i still believe it. i'm not some fucking expert, just a guy who loves this fucking genre more than any other. you think you're being smart in disagreeing with me, not realizing that i really do know what i'm talking about here. you have your own opinions, and that's fine, but you're wrong.
do you think kurdt thought his music was great?
yeah?
wrong!
kurt hated his own music, and was bored with every song about 30 seconds into it. nirvana would start "teen spirit" and just cut it off halfway into the first verse because they were so fuckin tired of playing it.
but we'll listen to it from now until the end of the world, and he wouldn't and couldn't understand why. neither can i.

i forgot to mention, if you like good music, then you'll love Primus

omg yeah i forgot about them.
truly one of the greatest and most innovative bands ever!
it's not many bands that get a whole genre named after them. in fact i think they may be the only ones!

"If me or Nessbeatsfox walked into an American Idol audition, we would be stopped halfway through and told to leave and never sing again outside of our houses, and THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!"

Amen brother! There should be an American Idol for grunge artists.

shit i also forgot sonic youth. 'daydream nation' changed my life

Agreed. Grudge is not caring.

"It shouldn't seem plastic or overproduced, either."
This is what I find to be the key point of grunge rock. So many bands sell out nowadays, sporting a polished sound (e.g., Nevermind), and i think this defeats the whole "purpose" of grunge. You bring up a great point in this post.